![]() Updated for Live 11.1: Classic frequency shifting, ring modulation and real-time monophonic pitch shifting. Updated for Live 11: Redux adds a wider range of sounds from vintage digital gear. Updated for Live 11: Phaser-Flanger has a new, lusher sound with increased frequency and modulation ranges. It is the first time I saw a 30% sale since I started watching for them, 6 years ago (when I got Live 9 Intro), their sales are always 20% or 25%, usually 20%, and the first time I've seen them giveaway a paid Pack.Updated for Live 11: Chorus now has a wider range of sound-shaping capabilities. The free Packs they offered are a rare shift in policy too: In fact, the whole point of my first comment is that this 30% sale is already a pretty big shift in policy for them, a rare over-25% sale. The more I think about it, the crazier a shift in price policies looks to me, considering how successful Ableton was in the last few years, despite the emergence of new competitors and the lowered prices older competitors are offering. They will claim you shouldn't buy Live because it will soon go out of business, they will claim Live is not worth even that, that Ableton is "evil" for charging the reduced pricing, much less the older price, etc. Your advice for Ableton doesn't contemplate the existence of the numerous Ableton haters out there, that will certainly do their "best" to put the worst possible spin on such a price change. Lowers resale/trade value too, even Bitwig users that are trying to sell their old Live copy would be pissed. I think if they lower the price, users will simply perceive Live as less valuable, and the older users will feel betrayed at the sudden shift in pricing policy. So you claim if they lower the price, then the older users that paid Ableton, let's say $1500, will feel great about new users getting Suite for $200? Some companies even stop offering upgrade paths to older versions after some years, you can only update recent versions.ġ- Ableton is bad because they don't give better deals to older loyal users (users from older versions, like Live 1, as described by you in previous comments).Ģ- Ableton is bad because they charge too much. Pretty much every software I've seen has a single upgrade price. The vast majority charge for upgrades just like Ableton, even the discounts are similar, 40-60% of full price.Ĭan't recall any software that gives a bigger discount the older version you have.Ĭan't recall ever seeing a table with separate upgrade prices for each separate older version. (Of the few that don't use that model, many use models people hate, like WUP and subscription models)īesides audio software, I buy graphic design software, illustration software, video software, game design software, plus games and utilities. I wrote "product TIERS", like Intro/Standard/Suite, not major numbered versions like Live 9 or 10.Ībleton's upgrade model is the same as the vast majority of paid software out there. You are quoting me out-of-context, gluing stuff that was meant as an answer to another user with stuff that was just info about Ableton sales. Maybe they could get more money by giving their loyal users a better deal. ![]() ![]() I'm still on version 5 of the V Collection bundle. ![]() OTOH this discourages many people (Iike me) from upgrading. I'd say that this policy is geared towards getting new people on board. I just think they could have a LOT more business.Įxcept that if you upgrade since version 1 you'd have paid looooooads more for the same product than a newcomer. And they put most of their software development efforts into features for a companion hardware that costs another $799. You can skip versions to save $, but then you have to wait a looooong time.įurther, the fundamental issue is that, aside from being structured in an unfair way for loyal users, their offerings are intensely overpriced to begin with, and their sales are middling. Getting Suite is not cheaper than getting Intro + upgrade to Suite, there is no "special deal" for paying more upfront. It is simple, Ableton upgrade prices are structured so everybody pays about the same prices for the same product tiers. $342 (non-sale price $489) is not simply "from 9 Standard to Suite", but "from Live 1 - 9 to 10 Suite", it is not only for Live 9 users.Īlso, when Live 10 was on beta and for some time after the launch, Live 9 (or earlier) users could upgrade to 9 Standard or 9 Suite and get the Live 10 upgrade free, like from 9 Standard to 9 Suite (plus 10 Suite) for $249. 30% is is the biggest discount they offered in at least 6 years, their sales are always 20% or 25%.
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